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Homicide closely linked with trust in government
Roth explains that homicide was lower during the Great Depression than now.

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Turn on the television these days and you might see people or groups of people who are voicing their distrust in government. An Ohio State University professor says that's concerning. In an interview with statehouse correspondent Jo Ingles, Professor Randy Roth explains there is a corollary between homicide and people who distrust or hate government.
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Ohio State University Professor Richard Roth tells statehouse correspondent Jo Ingles that sometimes, when the homocide rate is low, the society isn't one you'd want to live in. For example, he says the homicide rate was lower in America during the Great depression. Roth has compiled a historical violence database which is housed at Ohio State University.

Listener Comments:

Hey, I just discovered another correlation: ROTH and ROTHchild. Also, it's interesting to note that if Roth had been discussing "causation" rather "correlation" of lower homicide levels during the Great Depression, then at some point he'd have to deal with the history of increased starvation and cannibalism it caused, instead. But relax folks, according to Roth there's nothing to worry about after the government "causes" the next depression (ie, The Great-Great Depression) since there will be lower homicide levels when the food frenzy hits our streets.

Posted by: truthbetold (USA) on December 5, 2009 8:55PM
NONSENSE... when are you peeps going to wise up? Correlation is not causation unless perhaps you want to see whether the government is funding Professor Randy Roth's psychobabble propaganda to poison our minds with "predictive programming" to accept "life imitating art" when movies like the Minority Report become a reality (starring Tom Cruise). Ironically, Professor Roth's research is the sort of fascist fiction you'd expect from despotic governments like Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, or China that would depict it victims of government oppression into homicidal maniacs instead of it's leaders known to murder millions of people. Hello professor, you want a correlation? Then why aren't you rather researching the correlation of governments and their closely linked despotic leaders espousing eugenics and genocide? The Founding Fathers's didn't trust governments and for good reason they taught us to do the same.

Posted by: truthbetold (USA) on December 5, 2009 8:13PM
Actually, if you look at the numbers for violent crimes against one's person you will find that recently there has been a huge increase worldwide. At the same time the homicide rate has pretty much remained steady. That discrepancy is not due to criminals using less-than-lethal force. Advances in emergency medical treatment is what keeps the homicide rate low. Nowadays we save the lives of many that would have died from identical injuries in the past.

Posted by: JT (Kalifornia) on December 5, 2009 7:05AM
Let's see - Murder by Government:

Ottoman Turks: 1.5 million Armenians
Soviet Union: 20 million
Nazi Germany: 20 million, initiated WW II
China (Pre Mao): 10 million
China (Mao) 20-25 million
Guatamala: 200,000 (pikers!)
Uganda: 300,000
Cambodia: 2 million
Rwanda: 800,000

And yet you think that murder is prevalent because I don't sufficiently trust the government?

Posted by: Bill (Somewhere) on December 4, 2009 11:29PM
Professors with tenure.... they can't be fired

Posted by: Rooster (Tx) on December 4, 2009 3:18PM
Professors in state colleges are on the take. They live by "publish or perish". Publications are based on research, and 99% (my random number that is at least as accurate as Prof Roth's) of research is funded by the government-- our tax dollars. If they don't say things that comply with the government's political goals, then research funding dries up, then publications are harder to come by, and therefore tenure for their position at the university is just a vanishing illusion. Therefore: he's a sellout.

Posted by: Winston Smith on December 4, 2009 1:55PM
If this crackpot Prof was correct, then every major serial killer (murderer, not talking about the U.S. military in this case) would have a political motivation to them, yet most of them are psycho-sexual motivations.

Hmmm. What are you professor of? Jackassery?

Posted by: Winston Smith on December 4, 2009 1:52PM
I think it makes sense. People who don't trust the government are more independent that those who do.

What isn't said is that there are those who need to be killed. If they run across someone who isn't too submissive, they might get nailed.

The typical academic never thinks like that though. They think any killing is bad. Justifiable hatred is moral also.

Posted by: WEREFEAT (Texas) on December 4, 2009 1:42PM
Nice try, but this is complete garbage. No one but your braindead followers will believe this...

Posted by: jpoon on December 4, 2009 1:26PM
Roth was misrepresented by this report. Even when he was pointedly asked if he found current levels of political dissent concerning he did not assent. To the contrary Roth argued for the healthy consequences of dissent and also discredited gun control as an effective means of curtailing homicide.

Nevertheless this was not reported accurately. One wonders if Jo Ingles was even aware she had superimposed her emotional state on this academic's findings and reported it as "what he said".

Posted by: Dave Ped (Wisconsin) on December 4, 2009 12:02PM
I agree with "Matt (Akron)". That is how our government is supposed to work. And why would you trust the government, you would have to be a fkn idiot.

Posted by: Oddity on December 4, 2009 11:58AM
People feel disconnected when the world around them doesn’t reflect their values. This could be remedied by improving states rights. Let Alabama outlaw abortion, let California legalize marijuana, let Massachusetts legalize gay marriage, let Utah ban pornography. Let the states reflect their populations instead of using the federal government as an instrument to homogenize us. A more perfect union would be a confederacy of states exercising greater sovereignty while the feds just provide for a common defense and common currency. Healthcare should be on a state level. Why should oatmeal eating skiers in Vermont have to pay for sedentary southern-fried lifestyles? The federal government has just gotten too big for its proper role and whenever there’s a partisan shift at the federal level, a large portion of the population feels disenfranchised. For as disgusted as I was with W., I’m sure there are people who are just as disgusted with Obama. If the fed wasn’t too big, no one would even care about partisan shifts because the implications of the shift would be minimal.

Posted by: Matt (Akron) on December 4, 2009 11:42AM
NEVER trust the government just ask the Native Americans!!!!!

Posted by: Jon (New York) on December 4, 2009 11:32AM
What is really shocking is that people will pay tens of thousands of dollars to be indoctrinated into falsehoods. (get a college ed today)

Posted by: Dave (Midwest) on December 4, 2009 11:28AM
Ask the black men who were given syphilis if they trust their government. Ask the Japanese-Americans (born in the USA) who were placed in concentration camps if they trust their government. I HATE politicians, Government and the New World Order and I have NEVER committed murder or committed a crime! I LOVE America but the powers that be are destroying us and the rest of the world! This guy is lower than a maggot!

Posted by: Karen (Mobile) on December 4, 2009 11:07AM
Repeat after me:

Correlation is not causation.
Correlation is not causation.
Correlation is not causation.
Correlation is not causation.
Correlation is not causation.

Posted by: Dave on December 4, 2009 10:56AM
Repeat after me:

Correlation is not causation.
Correlation is not causation.
Correlation is not causation.
Correlation is not causation.
Correlation is not causation.

Posted by: Dave on December 4, 2009 10:56AM
I can't believe the agitprop coming out of our universities these days.

Seriously, I'm speechless.

Posted by: Michael Suede (CA) on December 4, 2009 10:48AM
What A Bunch Of S--- (stuff)

Posted by: R C H (Austin Texas) on December 4, 2009 10:36AM
This is the most retarded garbage I've ever read. I would like that minute and a half of my life back now please.

Posted by: Jeff (Louisiana) on December 4, 2009 10:25AM
Sounds like a load of BS to me.

Posted by: TheChameleon on December 4, 2009 10:09AM
From what I see, people are killing each other over drugs, money, gang turf, people get in arguments and use guns, men kill their wives, wives kill their husbands...

What does that have to do with government?? Absolutely nothing.

Posted by: Ra (U.S.A) on December 4, 2009 9:38AM
I can see it now...speak against the government, be put under surveillance, get put in jail for a non-crime because you are suspected of terrorism, get killed slowly by the system (like Sherry Jackson is now)...either way you look at it, you have no more freedom. You're screwed all because of some idiot professor that somehow lumped all of the anti-government speakers in with a bunch of gun carrying folks. Well, they are NOT one in the same Mr. Roth. Some professor!

The only thing that should be a concern here is the way in which the government has taken this country right down the tubes and all of our freedoms with it. LAND OF THE FREE? not for much longer if we keep going down the path we are going! And, BTW...I don't believe in guns or war for that matter. So, put that in your statistics and smoke it.

Posted by: mick (The United States of America such as it is.) on December 4, 2009 9:14AM
go figure, just because i want the constitution followed it made me a non-patriotic anti-government raciest and now a murder too. Genius pure genius!
i wonder what else they know about me that i haven't figured out yet?

Posted by: jason (Michigan) on December 4, 2009 8:15AM
Had there been no "anti-government types who had violent tendencies", we would still be a British colony.
This tax feeding,pro big government professor is just another fattened parasite who wishes to keep the system in the expansion mode for his benefit.
I take pride in my disgust of those that would deprive me of my money,labor and liberty and I see little distinction between those that rob me on the street and those that rob me while wearing a government costume.

Posted by: Dave (Miami) on December 4, 2009 7:42AM
I can see his point... The American Colonies didn't trust the British Government and look what happened!!!
Let's ask the Native Americans if we should trust government....

Posted by: C.D. (NW Pennsylvania) on December 4, 2009 7:13AM
For the last 100 years government has slowly chipped away at the constitution that should protect the rights of the people. Like a shark circling It's prey. The United States already meets the 10 planks stated by Karl Marx that describe a communist nation. The government has now openly stated It's belief in socialism

Posted by: Gary Alan Adkins (Georgia) on December 4, 2009 5:38AM
Why is everybody taking issue with this man? All he is doing is reiterating what Jefferson told us over 200 years ago : that the tree of liberty must from time to time be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants alike.

Posted by: Brian in Chile on December 4, 2009 4:56AM
Professor Roth you sound like a very devious man who would have government consider me a dangerous woman if I donot agree with it. I have a feeling your motives are less than honest and that your assumption is absolutely ridiculous.

Posted by: Janet on December 4, 2009 1:47AM
Just goes to show you that the comparison between accumulating an educational degree and having true knowledge arenot the same thing. This professor bloviates and makes irrational correlations between distrust of government and shooting people? This man sounds like a homeland security disinfo agent attempting to have people swallow his driveling trash and blatantly ambiguous assumptions.

Posted by: Kate on December 4, 2009 1:38AM
An education can be beneficial however if not used in conjunction with common sense you make crazy assertions such as the one made by this professor. He has failed to confirm his hypothesis with real life.

This is the same problem with the claim that global warming is caused by humans and if we are not stopped we will eventually destroy the environment. If these individuals would just step outside, they would see that the world is not warming up. I hunt in the spring and I can tell you that over the past 10 years the temperatures have gone down. Ten years ago I had to remove my thermals by 9 or 10 in the morning. The last couple years I’ve kept them on all morning. Recently we see that the data has been altered to support the global elitist position.

I see the same problem with what this Professor has claimed. If indeed the homicide rate has gone up because of people hating the government, we should see more prosecution with a motive that they hated the government. The only ones I see are because of drugs, cheating spouses or hatred for another race.

The problem with his assertion is that he is demonizing those who are willing to stand up for their freedom. We’ve seen this kind of thing with the MIAC report and now it’s coming to Ohio.

Posted by: Dan (Cincinnati) on December 4, 2009 1:04AM
great to see the american and world wide awakening to the puppet western govt's working for the gangster bankers,milatary war machines and the one world govt,in the not to distant future it will be liberty or death,hopefully with your kenyan born obama,masters and cronies fried for treason.

Posted by: Barry (australia) on December 3, 2009 11:35PM
He's taking some empirical evidence and SPECULATING on a lot of details in between. Conflation is not science. Next please.

Posted by: aaronstotle (austin) on December 3, 2009 11:08PM
This is nothing short of brainwashing. I can't believe such non-sense. No one in this day and age should trust any government. The people of any nation are generally good.It's the governments that force war and hatred. I don't trust the government. And if you value your freedom, neither should you.

Posted by: Heretic Rick5 (Cincinnati) on December 3, 2009 10:49PM
I agree with James in Montana completely. I don't trust my government, never have, and never will. I believe in limited government in all aspects of life. The truth is there will always be corrupt people trying to place themselves in positions of control and power. That includes the two most seemingly powerful physical elements known to man, Money and Government. I detest both. All I know is self-preservation, responsibility and freedom. This does not mean I'm going to go out and commit a crime against a federal agent but I will protect myself, and my rights as a human being living in the US.

Posted by: Mace (Texas) on December 3, 2009 10:30PM
Am a grad of KSU from 1974. And other places after that. But I was on the grassy knoll that day and I saw the face of the state.

I am concerned that Dr. Roth by describing a correlation, necessarily insinuates a causal connection between rejection of the government and violent anti-person acts. Even as one might explain that it is an error to infer causality, it is in the main, a continuation of the insinuation of causality because most folks don't know the difference and they will respond instead, to the neurolinguistic programing of the mantra.

However, that said, there are many just and appropriate reasons to feel anger at, and rejection of the government.

It is also a concern whenever some academic spouts off against some group and defends the government. That already indicates to me that the guy is either incredibly ignorant about the government or is serving in the capacity of cointelpro. Being generous, I will assume the former for a while.

The sins of the current group of thugs who run the American Hegemony are far in excess of what could be noted here. From committing millions of murders around the world over the last 50 years (both covertly via the CIA's deep government and more blatantly in our endless wars to steal other nation's resources with the asinine and bogus 'war on terror' being the latest and greatest propaganda) to the destruction of the Constitution and Bill of Rights and the incremental introduction of the police state here at home. And so many egregious anti-citizen acts, policies and presidential directives (decrees) introduced in between.

The poor professor apparently hasn't got a clue. However, the fact that he attempts to smear a whole class of folks (those who hate, disagree with, or revile the government) makes me lean more towards regarding him as cointelpro.

It might be remembered, that the Americans who revolted against King George and created this nation were indeed incensed with the 'government', and obviously, rightly so. They, in that instance, also happened to be violent in the actions against that tyranny. Again, rightly so. (though I am sure that our Homeland Gestapo if extant then would surely put out fliers identifying George Washington as a "home grown terrorist". (Indeed there are actually training videos of them doing precisely that.)

Those who are paying attention know that tyranny is once again on the rise and loose in what was the United States Republic but is now well-acknowledged to be an military empire. And, as is the case with most, if not all empires, it is not a very nice government as a result. And the tyranny inevitably stands against the citizen as well. Ultimately the citizen will have to decide what to do.

Personally, I prefer what Thomas Jefferson said: "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." Right now, more and more Americans are coming to fear their 'government' ... and rightly recognizing it as rule by thugs, corporations and international financiers and banks. And it is an urgent necessity that the government now learns to fear the citizens.

dr. r. welser

Posted by: medicis (Morganton, NC) on December 3, 2009 10:17PM
It all makes sense now, give a degree, a job as a professor and you end up with a moron!

Posted by: 1776blues (california) on December 3, 2009 10:05PM
this guy will probably be a paid consultant for Homeland Security...his view is great for disarming anyone who dosen't trust the government.
Pre-crime arrests...if you distrust the gov you can not bear fits perfectly into the police state mindset we now find ourselves in, and it will get worse folks....much worse...

Posted by: patricia (pa) on December 3, 2009 10:02PM
His premise is dangerous because, One could argue according to his view, that pursuers of peace, could actually be the most dangerous of all.

Far reaching ideologies like his, seem to support the idea that the State is supreme at all costs, even if its actions are unjust.

Kind of despotic dont you think?


Posted by: sunshine (usa) on December 3, 2009 9:23PM
His premise is dangerous because, Once could argue according to his view, that pursuers of peace, could actually be the most dangerous of all.

Far reaching ideologies like his, seem to support the idea that the State is supreme at all costs, even if its actions are unjust.

Kind of despotic dont you think?

Posted by: sunshine (usa) on December 3, 2009 9:22PM
The point the Professor is making is a good point. But our government is no longer of the people, for the people, and by the people. They pass laws to benifit themselves and not us the people. It is clear to anyone with a brain that the government does not have the people best interest. The government has the government best interest. You think it's bad now wait untill they try to form a New World Order. Hint, it's already underway. Live free or Die. !!!!

Posted by: Will (Florida) on December 3, 2009 9:21PM
How do these professors get away with these ridiculous statements without the reporters howling with laughter?
The twentieth century is loaded with horrible abuses of governments killing the citizens.
Additionally,the US has a multi-culti population which historically leads to violence and acrimony-there simply isn't a mixed nation without it.

Posted by: Dave (Ft Laudrdale) on December 3, 2009 9:18PM
Statistically you are more likely to be murdered officially (by your own government) than unofficially by a brigand. A most cursory look at the 20th century confirms this. The government caused and exacerbated the depression, by the way. I hate the federal government. They are a band of thieves writ large. If someone says the government isn't criminal, they are stupid. The only person I would kill would be someone trying to do me grievous bodily harm. Whether they are wearing state issued plumage is irrelevant.

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Posted by: Anonymous on December 3, 2009 7:15PM
"Professor" Roth professes his point of view quite nicely. However, what he doesn't add is his Final Solution to this problem.

Posted by: Bob (Portland, OR) on December 3, 2009 6:39PM
I believe what Professor Richard Roth is claiming is unfounded. I am a anarcho/capitalist and I also associate myself with voluntarism. I am completely against the idea of government: I don't trust government some would say that I hate the government. I personally don't hate anyone or anything, so I don't agree with those comments. I do dislike government with a passion. Yet, even though I harbor such feelings about government, I would never harm another human being outside of defending myself. Heck, I don't like to kill insects.

I want to throw one fact out there to debunk Professor Roth's claim: Government murders more people than all the murderers combined with the action of war.

Government murders more, period. I am far more frightened of government than I am of some anti-government nut. I am anti government and I am more peaceful than most people who support government because I don't justify killing people for any reason outside of self defense. Meanwhile, some statist will justify killing me simply because I don't want the fruits of my labor stolen from me, or because I think that the government shouldn't kill.

Professor Roth, come on now. Be a little honest at least.

Posted by: James (Montana) on December 3, 2009 6:24PM
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